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lolo
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 Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 6:57:24 PM
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| he he johnny youve fallen way behind in the posts.... and mouce, I'm hunting for sub 9's (block is gonna get prepped any time in the next 2 months) should I go 4 litres or try it with 3.8?? As for brakes im actually looking at 4 piston kangaroo paws on 365 rotors but that will mean losing the sleeper look cos I'll have to go with 17's |
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mouce
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 7:27:10 PM
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Oh yeah...it's miles off topic, but I figure that this thread can be left to just keep running, so long as all the other threads stay more or less on track, this one can go where it wants.
As long as it's kept clean and friendly, it's an open discussion thread. I just hope that people do take the time to read through it all, because there's a LOT of really handy tips burried in here (amongst a whole lot of dribble).
The problem you may face with doing the massive upgrade to the brakes, is keeping them balanced, if you go quad-pot up front, you'll need to move to at least double's up the back, and it's kinda hard to find rotors for the back of the VN (other than stock) because of the dodgy handbrake setup.
There's no reason you shouldn't be able to hit high sevens to low eights once you're done. You COULD get the 4.1L stroker kit, but just because I'm a bit of a purist, I'd leave it as 3.8. However there'd be no way of picking the difference unless you opened the motor up :) |
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Edited by - mouce on 07 Aug 2006 7:30:38 PM |
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 8:25:08 PM
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| yeah mate leave it to the 3.8, theres no reason to go 4.1 stroker but this would be fun and yeah this thread just keeps going, this was a 6 beer read and yes I do read slowly inbetween mouthfuls lol as 4 the handy tips if u can stop laughing enough to read this whole thread then yeah this is full of usful info keep on postin guys!!!! |
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Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 10:27:07 PM
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| lol yeah just a bit off topic.... I might see if we can have custom rear rotors done...maybe I'll start off doin it 3.8 andd see how much we can pull out of it first... |
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Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 10:57:30 PM
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| keep us posted lol...,. |
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johnny cade
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 12:13:19 AM
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| Ok im off topic and to lazy/tired to read all this, so once ive read it, ill leave a reply :D one thats on topic :P |
He sees an old man and says “See we’ll part with your hard,
Earned cash or rest in peace we can start with your heart.
Some girl steps not afraid she’s gonna cop it sweet,
And gets decked before she made it even on her feet,
The old man leaped to her aid and to his horror he’d,
Thrusted his chest into the blade of his robber s piece,
He grabbed the wallet, dropped the knife as he fled the car,
Concerned about the loss of life he’d never went this far,
What’s done is done, he’d got the prize and he’d spent his half,
Of two dollars in change and a pension card. |
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lolo
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 8:03:48 PM
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| AAAAHHHHHHH parked the car for 40 minutes then moved it a little and noticed about five oil leaks (all on the passenger side) about the size of a 20 cent coin.... this cant be happening to me.... not another problem... nooooo |
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johnny cade
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 9:30:27 PM
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| check your tappet gaskets, mine was doing that, but then it ended up looking like a hemerage :P check the tappets |
He sees an old man and says “See we’ll part with your hard,
Earned cash or rest in peace we can start with your heart.
Some girl steps not afraid she’s gonna cop it sweet,
And gets decked before she made it even on her feet,
The old man leaped to her aid and to his horror he’d,
Thrusted his chest into the blade of his robber s piece,
He grabbed the wallet, dropped the knife as he fled the car,
Concerned about the loss of life he’d never went this far,
What’s done is done, he’d got the prize and he’d spent his half,
Of two dollars in change and a pension card. |
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 9:41:31 PM
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| oh big job hope it aint gaskets ouch!and u only just noticed?has your vn been singin latley?hehehehelol |
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lolo
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 9:51:34 PM
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| Im actually thinking of buying an engine that I found that has only done 80,000ks and getting that prepped etc then swapping, that way i can drive it while the other engine is getting worked.... also where the hell are the tappets??? lol |
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 9:55:53 PM
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| hey yeah that's a new 1 tappet gaskets?wtf |
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mouce
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Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 10:40:25 AM
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The hydraulic tappets are what is on the bottom of the pushrod (the thing that the rockers push on).
Here's a step by step on how to get them out:
1) Remove the inlet manifold and the rocker arms and pushrods
2) Remove the bolts securing the hydraulic tappet retainer plate to the cylinder block valley and remove the retainer plate
3) Remove the hydraulic tappet guides and place them in order to ensure correct installation.
4) Remove the hydraulic tappets from the cylinder block and place them in the order of removal to ensure correct installation
5) Press the pushrod seat and plunger down and remove the snapring with a small screwdriver.
6) Remove the pushrod seat, metering valve, plunger assembly and the plunger spring from the tappet body.
7) Using a fine bladed screwdriver remove the cap, spring and ball from the plunger assembly.
To put it all back in:
1) Place tth eball on the hole in the end of the plunger
2) Carefully place the spring and cap over the ball and press the cap into position using a fine bladed screwdriver
3) Half fill the tappet body with clean engine oil and instal the plunger spring
4) Align the oil feed hole in the plunger with the hole in the body and install the plunger assembly into the body. Fill the tappet with clean engine oil.
5) Instal the metering valve and the pushrod seat, press the pushrod seat down and instal the snap ring.
6) Ensure that the tappet body, roller and bore are clean
7) Coat the tappet and the tappet bore with LUBRIZOL 6612 and instal the tappets to the cylinder block
8) Instal the tappet guides, alinging the flat segments on the tappet with the flat segments on the guide
9) Install the hydraulic tappet retainer plate and tighten bolts to 40Nm
10) Instal the pushrods, rocker arms and the inlet manifold.
All that said though, if you've got an oil leak of that size, I'd be more inclined to have a look at the sump gasket, when they decide to let go it's really not pretty. |
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Posted - 12 Aug 2006 : 01:28:13 AM
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| ur to good just testin 2 c if u still inchek mouce,as proven b4 u can cut it........... |
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Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 11:56:56 PM
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I don't know everything about VN V6 commodores, but that which I don't know, I know where I can look it up :)
In case there's anyone who missed it, there's now a how-to forum, which is in the members section. If anyone wants a write up done, just ask, and if anyone has a good how-to that hasn't already been covered then feel free to write it up.
David was kind enough to add that today, because there have been a number of repeat questions on how to do certain things. Now instead of retyping everything, there will hopefully be a how-to guide to cover it. We just need to build up the contents of the folder. |
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 6:52:19 PM
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| yeehahh had a good talk to the guys at speedwell performance, getting custom made four piston brakes that will require 18" or larger rims, two piece V8 supercar drive shaft from Larry Perkins, floater axles, 9inch diff, maybe going manual with a Tremec, full custom cage, GT45 or T88 turbo.... custom coilovers, camber kit, also getting a car for parts... has 130,000ks so Im taking that engine and almost brand new transmission which I might sell.... engine will be crack tested, machined, ported, studed, polished, billet crank, forged pistons, conrods shotpeened, custom camaro style heads, custom exhaust and turbo manifold, 100mm t/b, also custom piping from the front of the the car to ventilate the brakes and into a custom CAI...... what can I say... word of the day is CUSTOM....oh and theyre very confident of getting a sub 9 sec pass..... hasta la vista baby hehehe |
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 6:57:17 PM
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| oh almost forgot, If any of you guys want parts, I'll be selling them real cheap..... also the VN Im getting has a VX Clubsport kit that i dont need...interior exterior, everything except for engine will go, need to recoop my costs lol and plus I wont need them |
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 8:09:29 PM
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What colour is the interior of the spare car? I might have to come around and have a look at what you've got, let me know when you've got it and we'll sort something out.
I take it that it's just a standard execudor, and nothing fancy like a calais or anything? Still...there'll be a few things that I'm after...post up when you get it.
As for the CUSTOM project, I'll bet that the guys at speedwell almost wet themselves with excitement when you told them what you wanted to do. Something to think about though, it's all well and good to have the front brakes properly vented, but it might pay to set up some slick air ducts to the rear brakes too, gotta remember that those suckers will get nice and hot too.
You got any rough idea when it's all going to be finished? Or is it just going to be one of those things that happens as money allows? |
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 8:44:27 PM
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| this should be doozie lolo,don,t mean 2 pry but roughly wat would sumthing like that cost?A hot peice of machinery (or it should b wen finished)like this will give u braggin rights lol..u will haf 2 post sum pics wen all done can't wait 2 haf a look.............. |
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 8:59:59 PM
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Ill post when I get the car and yeah i havent seen the car yet but most things should be in good nick cos it was a mums car and as i mentioned has only done 130,000ks... I just know its a salmon pink colour lol has the body kit, new tranny, and its an S1....
and yeah they were happy cos their gonna make some money and they love building extreme cars... but I'm getting mates rates cos of my girlfriends dad...hehehe connections, as for the rears, good idea, ill look into it, i just dont wanna cut any holes in the doors or anything.
Now for the important bit, if anyone is gonna want a job well done dont be scared to go to speedwell... they are in it more for the love of cars than the money, I just found out that one of the partners that own the shop is the CEO of a multinational financial corporation founded in australia.... and has nine cars including 3 porsches and a ferrari....and a VN (he kept his first car) so money aint a problem.... sorry to rant but Im obsessed with the place, im always there... its good to hang out with people that love cars
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 9:13:31 PM
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| Salmon pink wat can I say I'v been tryin 2 get rid of the damn coulor 4 years its finaly faded and rough as guts so i swapped panels all but the roof of corse and the rear quaters now I got this beige salmon vn, time 4 a paint job!!lol the new tranny is a bonus but it sounds like u won't b needin that lol and 130,000 thats not bad at all must of been mum's put around,is this the motor your getting rebuilt? |
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 9:13:46 PM
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| All up were looking at a 2 year build costing close to 70k.... but hey I'm about to go back into construction and clear $1000 a week without overtime and i figured if im gonna do it i might as well do it right... no use doing a half assed job |
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 9:16:15 PM
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| dammn that was quik!lol |
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 9:22:52 PM
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| hehe yeah using that engine, my current one has a bit over 270,000kms on it |
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 9:24:10 PM
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It's always been a bit of a dream of mine to end up with a nice garage of cars, a merc, a bit of a dirty weekend toy like a Land Rover Defender, a really nice HSV or CSV ute, and tucked away in amongst them all would be a White VN with grey bumpers and a leaking rear main seal. It's nice to know that someone has done it.
As I said let me know when you get the spare car, there are a few parts that I'll be after.
I don't blame you for hanging around with people like that, it's one of the reasons I spend so much time on this forum (and one of the reason that this thread is still going strong), because it's great to find other people who are really into their cars. I've always wondered if I wasn't a little mental with how obsessed I was with my VN, but having met all you lot (at least I have on-line), I'm starting to realise that we're all normal and it's the rest of the world that is strange :)
@trizo: If you're thinking about a respray and you were thinking of 'white' (let's face it, it's the cheapest colour to get sprayed), the white from the VR commodore looks GREAT on the VN. |
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 9:30:40 PM
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| lol Im all for it mouce... my girlfriend gets a bit twitchy when I mention my VN lol |
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 9:32:45 PM
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@mouce that was my thought xactly,got a mate with a bit of paint lying around
(600lts all the coulors of the rainbow)but ye we were lookin at that nice white sumthing easy as the missus drives it all the time so it still has 2 look like a sleeper!! |
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 9:37:33 PM
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Also need to quote nick "mate the whole driveline needs to be replaced, I refuse to do this if you dont get a new axle, drive shaft, roll cage, wide rubber and dont even think of doing this without a set of racing brakes..... take some advanced driving courses or something because if you dont you will do a full 180 when it hits boost... Bill {my gf's dad} told me to take care of you so the last thing I want to do is be responsible for your death"
I will always remember him reading his riot act lol
(he got sued once because a customer crashed his car and he was deemed responsible for not warning the customer about how powerful the mods would make the car) |
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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 09:55:00 AM
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That's going to be the issue with the massive single turbo sitting in there. When that sucker DOES spool up, you're going to need one of those g-suits that the fighter pilots wear. Might also pay to have a nice piece of foam across your back, otherwise you'll end up with some serious bruising.
I can understand why they have to 'warn' you about the mods. But seriously, how much of a dick would you have to be to walk into a PERFORMANCE shop and not realise that your car is going to be more of a weapon when you drive out? Clearly that person came from the shallow end of the gene pool.
Hey lolo, I saw that you're running 'ceptors at the moment. Any chance that when you get the 18's that you'll be looking to sell the 'ceptors? I'm not all that interested in what rubber is on them, just so long as they are silver, 15x7 and have the center caps and black wheel nuts. I know it's a few weeks away now, but if you're going to sell them, give me a heads up please. |
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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 11:16:04 PM
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| lol Im getting a proper race seat to keep me from sliding out under boost, might just warn you that that the centre caps have some cracks where you put the nuts in and the rims are originally silver but have been given a coat silver on top of that, also the black wheel nuts are the original VN ones, and the tyres set me back $500 about one and a half months ago..... if you still want em youre the first in line, also dont know what rims the other VN has but if you like them better you can have those i guess |
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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 11:51:37 PM
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When you say the black wheel nuts are the original VN ones, I take it that means that you can see the tops of the threads sticking out through them when they are done up? Damn.
Sounds like the rims are okay, but the caps/nuts are throw-away gear. More to the point, I don't have the money to be fair on you for the rubber that's on there. Sorry mate...I will still come over and pick bits off the spare car when you get it, but those 'ceptors might have to go to another home. |
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