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VN_Bandit
P Plater
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 Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 02:50:36 AM
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Hey all got the worst copper so far on friday last week. The story goes like this.
I parked in a disabled spot, lol i knew i was in tha wrong there no argument, so anyway i went across the road 2 do my tax return, came back and highway patrol had been and gone he was gettin lunch and decided to throw a parking fine at me. I thought ok i had that cumn since i did it everyday wit out gettin caught. Now heres tha bitch, I opened the little bag wit tha parking fine in it flicked thru and thought yeh $107 ok i then realised the little blue and white papers wit defect notice on top it was then that i **** myself. The prick had decided 2 throw the book at me. Stats on my car VN S Pack v6 POD filter extractors 19" GTO wheels lowered 3 inches in tha bak 2 1/2 inch exhaust monster tacho B&M Megashifter sports steerin wheel clear tailights and the rest. The prick decided 2 pick out 4 of the most ****ty things he could c out of that whole list of things he picked out tha clear tailights (have 2 comply and have red reflectors), steering wheel has 2 b ADR approved its 13 inch and has no centre pad so i can justify that and get this tha dickhead put down MY F&*$N TOWBAR i didnt no it was illegal 2 have a tow bar it said sharp rear protrusion 2 b removed tha tow bar the only thing that was stickin out past the rear bar and he put down inspection incomplete and a full roadworthy needed. Now heres the arguments. Can he get me for Clear Tail lights seein as near all new cars have em and they got coloured globes to comply?? Tow bar every 2nd car got 1 still on and i was usin mine otherwise i would take the tongue off it. Can he give me a canary if im not at the car?? But I dont get that he didnt pick my wheels for bein 2 inches above tha max legal size from factory didnt say anythin bout it bein 2 low it drags on tha ground. I have no centre console cause it wont fit round the B&M without major modification. It jus goes 2 show they cumn down on us P Platers bad. So far iv spent $6000 on this thing and now it looks like a $1000 sleeper cause this guy wanted 2 b an arsehole jus wanted 2 get sum opinions and c what ppl think of this and if i been done over. I been bought up round the law my dad a self employed motor mechanic i got 3rd year apprenticeship under my belt plus knowledge from my dad he also does alot of work 4 the coppers servicin there family cars. I dont think any of that was legitimate reason for a canary. My dad also rang the sergeant (his mate) at the local station where this idiot came from he was in the background when my dad was talkin and he said that if i wasnt parked in a disabled spot he wouldnt have touched me???? Now how much bullS*&* is that. 1st thing that will cum 2 everybodies mind is I'm a hoon, i have never had a record for any driving offences in the 2 years i been on my p's i jus simply love spendin money on my car i'm not hurtin any1 i jus choose 2 try make my car look nice give every1 sumthin 2 look at i dont do burnouts i jus spent 2 and a half grand on wheels, 300 bucks a tyre it aint worth it. I want sumthin i can look at and b proud that i have spent $6000 of my hard earned money on a vn v6, stupid but i cant get enough i wanna b able 2 spend my money however i want wit out gettin pulld off tha road cause i wanna make my car look nice us decent p platers get punished for all these idiots out there. Its gettin ridiculous now and melbourne only gettin worse cause the next generation of idiots gettin there p's now. They think they invincible, good luck if u think u can outrun tha law i wasnt even at my car and i got screwed over sorry its so long i jus cant justify this . I wouldnt have been a prick 2 him if i was there tey only doin there job but he didnt have 2 throw that at me considerin he never meet me 2 c that i wasnt a lil smartarse. Give me sum feedback no flamage i wanna no if any1 else had tha same thing happen , Cheers Matt
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Edited by - VN_Bandit on 19 Jul 2006 03:24:39 AM |
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David
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Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 05:02:00 AM
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Sorry dude to hear what happened, and I am glad that you admitted to parking in the wrong spot and are prepared to "cop the fine" for that. I thought that a user had to be at the vehicle when it was inspected, but no, I was wrong on that. According to the Road Traffic Act 1961 - Sect 160 (which I found this morning) (for South Australia):quote:
(5a) A member of the police force or inspector who issues a defect notice in relation to a vehicle must—
(a) give the defect notice to the driver of the vehicle if the driver is present or, if the vehicle is unattended, cause the defect notice to be affixed to the vehicle; and
I thought that you might have grounds to beat it, but since the police offer was being a prick (cause you took his spot  ) got you for all they could with out needing you to be there. It is unfair on what he/she did, but there is nothing that can be done unless you are prepared to spend more than geting the road worthy is worth to get fixed..
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VN_Bandit
P Plater
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Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 05:19:59 AM
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| Yeh thats the thing tho my motor in need of serious TLC major oil leaks its done the sump gasket on the drivers side and i think its startin out tha rear main lol yeh mayb thats y he was cut cause i took his spot lol. Yeh well im takin it on tha chin i eventually got caught "every dog has there day" i jus had mine lol $107 is nothin tho but its still a bit when u think about it turned out 2 b very expensive parking lol. I'm jus so pisd that iv had 2 remove all my hard work cause this dude didnt get lucky tha night b4 :) I pretty much did everythin myself except wheels i put the shifter in i did my stereo i put extractors on (never again) and all the small jobs ah well wait till it clears and have another go :) Oh and funny thing is lol that 1st pic of my car is actually parked in tha spot 2 the left of the tha 1 i got caught in lol |
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Edited by - VN_Bandit on 19 Jul 2006 05:22:08 AM |
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mouce
National Driver
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Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 12:21:39 PM
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Okay, maybe it's just me, but I'm not seeing a towbar in either of those pictures. As for it being illegal, they aren't to the best of my knowledge, and if they are, every second car on the roads should be defected. I'd challenge that one.
The steering wheel is a fair one though, for all that a sports wheel might look nice, most of them are illegal.
The tail-lights...most cars that have the clear tail-lights have a little red reflector somewhere on the body work, sometimes in the bumper, or the boot garnish. So that's how they get around that one. It sucks, but that's how it's done.
The rules for the tail-lights (at least in Vic) are that you need to be able to see them from 200m away at night, they have to show the correct colour, and the car needs at least one rear facing red reflector.
For all that you got the hell cop that night, you should also be a little thankful that he didn't do you for the rims, or the ride-height. Just wait, only a little while until you're off your P's. Cops can't pick the difference between someone who loves their car, and someone who thrashes their car. We've all been through it, I look at it this way: The cops are just jealous because you've got a better car than what they had when they were young. |
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VN_Bandit
P Plater
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Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 1:49:44 PM
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| Yeh thats true those photos were taken when i had the wheels put on so there was no tow bar on at the time. I got done during the day. That whole reflector thing is jus crap cause i will stand by tha fact that on my clear tailights the reflector is way more visible at night than the red 1s. Sum very stupid laws jus 2 give these idiots tha power trip they need. As for the rims and that it wouldnt have matterd if he did scribble em down cause iv had 2 take em off anyway and change tha springs not massive jobs but vicroads wouldnt pass it. Iv had an undercover cop askin me while i was sittin in a carpark waitin on a friend if i was gonna do anythin stupid like burnouts when i leave I said nah spent 2 much money on tha wheels he goes thats the way. Some police c it as sumthin would prob stop us from doin it cause the price of tyres is way 2 expensive |
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matt
P Plater
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Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 2:50:37 PM
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i just think things would be alot easier if there were clear tolerances set out and made EASILY accessable to the public, stuff like stereo noise and tire baldness, and as for that tow bar thing, that really stumped me, my mum hasnt taken her towbar off her vt since she got it and hasnt heard a peep from the fuzzy muff, but chuck a p plate up and it would be a diff story.
personally i dont see the need to display p plates, i still do mind u, but it really doesnt heklp anyone, elderly fear us, cops love us, its basicly a big red target sitting on ur back window.
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VN_Bandit
P Plater
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Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 3:29:32 PM
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Exactly the p plate does nothin bout attract em Alot of ppl fix there cars up knowin it will attract attention from the wrong side but still do it. The whole access of information is **** i never c anythin about what u can and cant have and thats y when ppl get a defect notice they have no idea that the stuff on there car no matter how small it is, is illegal my tailights for example i didnt no u had 2 have a rear reflector i thought that cause the things get sold and i no its not entirely true that jus cause they sell it doesnt mean its legal but i still have the red globes for brakes normal globes for reverse and amber for indicators they have reflectors on them.
Us P platers r left in tha dark about this till we get pulled over and slapped wit tha book. Its funny tho how u could b drivin down a freeway or sumthin the guy next 2 u could b drivin the most unroadworthy car out buut whats missin, the p plate u beside him wit a nice clean car a few cosmetic things done 2 make it look good and BANG ur gone while he drives off havin a laugh.
Far as im concerned p platers r the only 1s gettin drilled these days and it jus aint fair. Ring the hoon line they out 2 u straight away ring bout sum1 gettin shot they sit on their arses and work out who havin the next donut. They cut the list so far down on cars for p platers its not funny, u cant drive a brand new car cause everythin these days is way over Power 2 Weight ratio u cant hot up an old car. May aswell jus sell em and buy a pocket bike OH WAIT they banned those 2 whats next push bikes prob get done for have an undersized seat on it or sumthin. |
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mouce
National Driver
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Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 3:57:01 PM
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While you might not see too much of a point to displaying the P-plates, keep in mind that if you are caught driving without displaying them, you will get booked for 'failure to display p-plates' which is an on-the-spot three month licence suspension. That's not a good thing.
As for the cop asking if you were going to do burnouts, it just goes to show what I've always said, there are some good cops out there. As for the price of the tyres, what about the price of fuel? Holding 4000rpm to keep the wheels spinning is going to chew a lot of fuel, there's more cost than just the rubber. That's why whenever I get pulled over the first thing I do is kill the engine, they had a go at me about it one time, but I just told them that while they have me pulled over for 10 minutes or so checking my car out, that's fuel I DON'T need to use.
I have actually asked VicRoads for a plain english list of what is and is not legal for cars, no such thing exists. The closest that you can find is the VSI sheets, and there's tonnes of those to get through. VSI 8 is a good starting spot.
As for what mods are legal and illegal...it pays to do your homework before you do the mods. I have quite a few sheet of paper sitting in my glove-box outlining that the few mods I have done to my car ARE legal, they are either VSI sheets or e-mails from VicRoads and/or the EPA. If a cop pulls me over and asks about the pod filter, I pull out the right piece of paper, and it's all good. My cousin has a whole folder full of the bloody things, it just lives under his passenger seat. |
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VN_Bandit
P Plater
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Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 8:13:21 PM
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Originally posted by mouce
While you might not see too much of a point to displaying the P-plates, keep in mind that if you are caught driving without displaying them, you will get booked for 'failure to display p-plates' which is an on-the-spot three month licence suspension. That's not a good thing.
As for the cop asking if you were going to do burnouts, it just goes to show what I've always said, there are some good cops out there. As for the price of the tyres, what about the price of fuel? Holding 4000rpm to keep the wheels spinning is going to chew a lot of fuel, there's more cost than just the rubber. That's why whenever I get pulled over the first thing I do is kill the engine, they had a go at me about it one time, but I just told them that while they have me pulled over for 10 minutes or so checking my car out, that's fuel I DON'T need to use.
I have actually asked VicRoads for a plain english list of what is and is not legal for cars, no such thing exists. The closest that you can find is the VSI sheets, and there's tonnes of those to get through. VSI 8 is a good starting spot.
As for what mods are legal and illegal...it pays to do your homework before you do the mods. I have quite a few sheet of paper sitting in my glove-box outlining that the few mods I have done to my car ARE legal, they are either VSI sheets or e-mails from VicRoads and/or the EPA. If a cop pulls me over and asks about the pod filter, I pull out the right piece of paper, and it's all good. My cousin has a whole folder full of the bloody things, it just lives under his passenger seat.
Sorry I jus gotta correct u on the '3 Month Suspension' its 3 points and a $120-$180 fine not 2 sure exactly but a friend got pulled up for that bout 2 weeks ago he also copped a hidin he had 1 bald tyre they makin him go get a roadworthy, canary on the window. It happened 2 weeks ago and since then he been pulled over in the 7 days that u are aloud 2 drive the vehicle 3 times and fined $180 each time for driving unsafe vehicle. Now this is really ****tin me cause hes got the canary he self employed so he rely on his car 2 get him 2 work 4 money he got tha damn thing sayin his car is unroadworthy he has 7 days 2 drive it b4 it has 2 cum off the road. Now i no im gonna get the argument if its not roadworthy then he cant drive it at all. It has 2 b taken 2 place of repair in tha 28 days u have and driven in the time 2 test it and move from place of repair 2 vicroads and wherever. The Canary states 1 condition and that is that he isnt aloud 2 drive in inclement weather but he gotta get a roadworthy 4 1 damn tyre its jus bull****. It aint tha fact that u can change it u think nothin is wrong wit car all done but i got the mechanic background and its never the case. Alot of mechanics losin work, the industry dyin very quickly as my dad has found out and sum out 2 make a killin on sum1 wit little or no knowledge. U have to pay for sum1 2 jus look at the car then if they money hungry u get a toilet roll of things 2 fix if u wanna try sum1 else u gotta pay them 2 look at it. Now im on the hoon list and im priority everytime im out drivin and 4 what PARKIN IN A DISABLED SPOT i wasnt even drivin and iv scored a shadow. It aint the older cops either its these young bogan pricks abusin tha power. This is beginnin a mass **** storm in the northern suburbs of melbourne im not the only 1 i seen 4 cars all p platers within 10 mins wit canaries 2day. The coppers may b able 2 pinch sum of us but the power outputs of sum cars 2 day and the extreme mods they wont catch half of em. Not 2 mention that half the p platers dont give a rats arse about the law anyway which is y this **** startin |
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matt
P Plater
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 04:04:23 AM
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which just reitterates the fact that p plates are the worst thing for all involved, im not saying we should be full license holders, but only have to have probationary on our licenses so we are not targeted unfairly.
the other night i was driving down burwood hw at bout 2 30, 3 in the morning and within a few ks i saw two seperate p platers pulled over and getting the once over by the cops, and was then in the lane next to a car that got pulled over for having a rear light not working, now my exhaust is illegal and i am flat broke at the moment being a student(and lazy)and with the amount of cops that i saw going down the road i was actually soiling myself, forever chucking the clutch in, i mean seeing a guy get pulled over for a tail light out, i was fair prey, i just had the most uneasy feeling driving home, i felt like i had to sneak home.
Gettin my vn this weekend, pretty pumped, i really want to keep it legal as to never worry bout that crap again, specially when ur tired and just want to get home and get some sleep. |
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mouce
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 11:57:20 AM
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I actually got pulled over for failing to display p-plates, I was fortunate enough to just get a $100 fine. I thought that I'd look up the rules, to see if the copper had been fair or not. According to the Australian Road Laws act it is maximum penalty of 3 months licence suspension. Cops usually regret pulling me over, I've made it a bit of a point to make sure I know the road laws backwards. Yes...I'm a nerd.
And as for a sh!t storm in the Northern suburbs of Melbourne, guess where I live? Yeah...the northern suburbs, and by and large I've found the cops out this side of town much more reasonable than out east. One thing I have found though, shock horror, is that if you keep the car legal even if they pull you over there is nothing they can do you for. If you're pulled over be polite, they are just people, being polite goes a long way sometimes. And it doesn't seem to matter what you drive, I can get around in my mum's excel, or my VN, and if they decide they want to pull me over, it's just going to happen. And for the record, I'm no longer on my p-plates, and still get pulled over about once a month just so they can check the car over.
As for the bald tyre...tyres don't just go bald instantly, they wear down over time. If the owner of the car doesn't keep an eye on the condition of the tyres, that's just asking for trouble.
Keep the car street legal and it's no problem. I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to mod your car, everyone should be allowed to make their car unique in its own way, but it's not that hard to keep it legal. |
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VN_Bandit
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 11:25:43 PM
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Well iv spent the day runnin round like a maniac i cleared the roadworthy and got tha defect notice cleared. I then spent half an hour on the phone 2 T.M.U queryin my wheels. Now as they are 4 inches above standard they still pass they look at the load rating on the tyres more than anythin. The overall diameter is only a tad bigger wit tha 19's and low profiles than a standard 15 inch interceptor and tyre. The max load limit on a vn sedan equipped wit 15's shall not have a max load limit less than 560kg per tyre. My 235/35's r 615kg each so im rapt.
As for not displayin p plates and jus on the licence when u think bout it, its the fairest way possible for all drivers. The police would b able 2 pick a p platers car anyway but its equal oppurtunity.
A quick fact i never knew and i dont think any1 else would no my dad's cop mate spoke 2 me 2day and said ill show ya sumthin that i could get u on if i was havin a prick of a day he pointed 2 tha rego sticker (bottom left corner of windscreen) he said that shouuld b 50mm off bottom or tha window and 40 mm out from A pillar now in my books that is jus over the top. Fair enough there are laws but that is ridiculous i no i aint gonna sit there wit a ruler and measure it all up when i get my new rego sticker
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GammaGrL
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Posted - 27 Jul 2006 : 7:23:50 PM
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congrats on getting the defect notice cleared dude, sounds like you got hard done by...At least its all fixed up now!!
Congrats again on geting the defect removed dude |
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Edited by - GammaGrL on 27 Jul 2006 7:24:52 PM |
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trizo
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 11:53:57 PM
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sounds 2 me like u got pinned hard mate but at least u got the notice fixed as for this happening again lets hope not any way onya matey
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