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VN91SX
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 Posted - 28 Nov 2008 : 8:52:17 PM
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I have a question for everyone on the forum. Has anyone on here had a cam upgrade done to their car. I am interested to hear input regarding a larger cam for a V6. I got a quote for a big cam, valve work, and a microtech ecu and dynotune ($3700). They estimate a power increase in the range of 40rwkw.
The other option i have been looking at is a package from Crow Cams. The package includes a stage 3 cam, stiffer valve springs, and a memcal that is tuned to the specs of the cam ($1200). If i were to go this option, whats the rough estimate on the cost of getting this package put in my car?
I look forward to hearing your thoughts
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leebo
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Posted - 30 Nov 2008 : 10:30:43 PM
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| im with VN91SX im thinking of having my v6 cams upgraded or having a lumpy cam put into it to increase power. not looking to spend much i need to find upgrades that are p plate legal as i cant have turbo,superchargers or a v8.if your in the same situation or know of anything i can do I'd like to hear it. thanks guys leebo |
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trizo
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Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 08:01:39 AM
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| the package from crow cams seems well priced! I take it that the $3700 price includes fitting ect? |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 4:29:12 PM
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It does Trizo. The $3700 includes: Microtech ecu upgrade along with all necessary sensor changes, the guy says he will spec up with a big cam to make the power gains worthwhile, upgrade valve springs, valve locks, retainers, all necessary gaskets and radiator coolants as the radiator will need to be removed, and finally they will dyno tune it. Drive out $3700, which he estimates about a 40 kw increase at the wheels.
If you were to go down the crow cam path, once the memcal, valve springs, and cam were all put in, how much do you think a mechanic would charge? And do you think the power increase would be on par with what i have mentioned above. The crow cam i am looking at is a stage 3 cam with a 0.500 lift, so it is a descent size.
I value all of your input guys, so thanks. And thanks to Trizo. I am sorry for my miss understanding with you before. |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 4:39:35 PM
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This one is for Leebo. What series or year model is your VN? Crow cam offer different cams and packages for series one and two. My advice is that to maximise the power gains from a bigger cam, you will need to look at the brain that manages the cam i.e. the ecu. Its not just a matter of putting a big cam in the car, and suddenly you will have 40 extra kilowatts.
I have looked at two options:
Option 1: Crow cams have a Stage 3 cam package that includes a memcal and performance valve springs.
Option 2: Was a quote i got that is outlined in detail above this posting.
This option is a descent investment money wise, but does seem to be a more complete job.
Lets see what the other guys on here think of both of these options with regard to value for money. |
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VNSVLE
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Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 10:05:01 PM
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If you have the money i would go for the microtech. It seems like a reasonably priced package. Have you had experience with this mechanic before??
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nodg
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Posted - 02 Dec 2008 : 06:16:32 AM
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with the mictrotech you can sit in the car with a laptop and cable and do your own tuning which would be alot of fun.
The price is alright but you would get so mch more if all of that money went into parts instead of labour. |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 02 Dec 2008 : 10:08:00 AM
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Very true about the parts vs labour side of things nodg. I think that when i do go down the road of a cam upgrade, that i will be going down the microtech road. It is a more complete job that will provide a better top end motor.
The place that gave me the quote also did my exhaust, and im not boasting or anything, but to be honest with you guys, they really did do a sensational job. My mechanic had a look at the job they did, and said that it was A1. They do segments in the technical section of "Street Commodore" magazine, and get a strong write up in their magazine. |
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leebo
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Posted - 02 Dec 2008 : 11:00:04 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by VN91SX
This one is for Leebo. What series or year model is your VN? Crow cam offer different cams and packages for series one and two. My advice is that to maximise the power gains from a bigger cam, you will need to look at the brain that manages the cam i.e. the ecu. Its not just a matter of putting a big cam in the car, and suddenly you will have 40 extra kilowatts.
I have looked at two options:
Option 1: Crow cams have a Stage 3 cam package that includes a memcal and performance valve springs.
Option 2: Was a quote i got that is outlined in detail above this posting.
This option is a descent investment money wise, but does seem to be a more complete job.
Lets see what the other guys on here think of both of these options with regard to value for money.
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leebo
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Posted - 02 Dec 2008 : 11:08:32 AM
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i know a fair amount about my motor working as my dad is a mechanic and that your right I'm not going to get a 10,000kw upgrade just by putting in a big cam but an wanting to pack more punch from my ride I'm about to get a shift kits so the trans is a bit quicker .
but i was just looking for some cheaper ways to get the max penitential from my v6 but also at the same time are not made of money.
my vn is a 1989 commodore executive v6 series 2 standard everything mechanical wise.
perhaps some cold air intake or bored out throttle body's might help dump the fuel and air in as I'm not worried about fuel prices cos it's my weekend play car i just drive a **** box to work.
however I'm told that throttle bodies can flood the v6's don't know to much on the subject. let me know what you think or what you've done to yours maybe
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nodg
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Posted - 02 Dec 2008 : 4:01:52 PM
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| you might be able to scounge up a motor outright, rebuilt, with goodies in it with a tune for 3700 then all you need to do is get a few hundred extra to get it installed. |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 02 Dec 2008 : 8:41:42 PM
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A Cam upgrade is an awesome "legal" (restricted license) way to get a real punch out of the motor that we both share (V6). The place that i got the quote from said that the power gain would be very noticable.
I have a 71mm throttle body on mine, pacemaker extractors, stainless high flow cat, 2.5 inch staright through muffler, and stage 2 shift kit. The car goes well with these mods.
Thanks for your last post nodg. The only problem for me is that my motor is "young" 90000km, so i want to keep a hold of it. You can get rebuilt motors from Come Racing, about $8000, stroked, and throwing 220kw at the fly. Too much money in my book, especially when you consider that they offer a do it yourself stroker kit for $2500. |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 02 Dec 2008 : 8:45:25 PM
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| I am fascinated by the potential of the V6, but guys, i cant believe the fuel consumption. Its pretty bad. I get around 350km out of a tank in the city, which i have been told is pretty normal. I think it is time for a new O2 sensor. |
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nodg
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Posted - 02 Dec 2008 : 9:23:25 PM
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I dont mean to put the v6 donk down but its potential is limited when its naturally aspirated, go forced induction kit and you will see big numbers (small down the 1/4 mile too)
with a cam, stroker kit, up the compression,, etc etc you only looking at around 160RWKW and a 13.00-14.00 second run |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 03 Dec 2008 : 5:38:55 PM
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I whole heartedly agree with you nodg. Its just a bit hard to go forced induction when you have the legal challenge of p plates. 13 seconds is still pretty quick, and is something i would be very happy with. Its a shame, because going forced induction would place less stress on the motor with regard to daily driving duties. :-(
I know of a manufacturer that makes a silent supercharger! But where is the fun in that. Cant beat the sound of a supercharger :-). |
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nodg
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Posted - 03 Dec 2008 : 6:59:30 PM
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| how long until your off your p's?? maybe it xould wait until your on your opens, or maybe worked the crap out of your car and have a **** daily driver for the meantime, i hate restrictions im glad i wasnt born in this new era ofonly allowed to drive 4's and 6's with no mods |
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leebo
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Posted - 03 Dec 2008 : 7:22:27 PM
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i read that the throttle body was good for about 8kw so i think maybe i will get that and the shift kit.
I'll maybe save up for a cam kit later on.
hey does anybody think those racing chips on eBay for around $20
are worth it they need to come over from England and they are
good for another 20hp.
if anybody's got these let me know if your noticed the increase in any way.
and one more thing sorry guys the cold air intake from mace engineering
are they good or gimic |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 03 Dec 2008 : 8:17:38 PM
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| 2.5 years nodg. Damn right it stinks buddy. Cam upgrade would bring it into the 13sec bracket which would have me doing cartwheels because my brother owns a 2007 BF GT Falcon, and is always giving me **** about my car. 13 seconds would run him down lol. $80000 vs $20000 when both were brand new. What do you think nodg? |
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nodg
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Posted - 03 Dec 2008 : 10:40:52 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by leebo
i read that the throttle body was good for about 8kw so i think maybe i will get that and the shift kit.
I'll maybe save up for a cam kit later on.
hey does anybody think those racing chips on eBay for around $20
are worth it they need to come over from England and they are
good for another 20hp.
if anybody's got these let me know if your noticed the increase in any way.
and one more thing sorry guys the cold air intake from mace engineering
are they good or gimic
There not actually chips there resistors that simply trick the ecu to put more fuel in the motor which what you want to do is take a bit out and advance the timing, lookup ebay username 'nicefrog' and buy one of his tunes (says v8 but he does v6's as well) that is a real chip.... costs 58 dollars including postage exchange or 100 outright, same if not better than the chiptorque/powerchip chips.. |
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nodg
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Posted - 03 Dec 2008 : 10:42:52 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by VN91SX
2.5 years nodg. Damn right it stinks buddy. Cam upgrade would bring it into the 13sec bracket which would have me doing cartwheels because my brother owns a 2007 BF GT Falcon, and is always giving me **** about my car. 13 seconds would run him down lol. $80000 vs $20000 when both were brand new. What do you think nodg?
that does stink... yeah the cam, valve springs, bigger throttle body, tune, cai, shift kit and diff gears will do it wonders. |
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Bostik
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Posted - 04 Dec 2008 : 10:30:15 AM
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| Just remember that no memcal that you buy on the internet or the ones that come with the kit will outperform a custon tune with your standard ecu/memcal. You will get the max from the motor with live tuning the down side is cost thats all. |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 04 Dec 2008 : 8:06:49 PM
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Gday Bostik! Do you want to hear the best live tune story? A mate of mine who is a mechanic, and does all the work on my car has a story that had me in tears. He stroked his HSV VP 5.0L. It has a haltech ecu on it. The car was dyno tunned with a custom cam grind (310rwkw). After being dyno tunned, he took the car for a real "live" tune. He had a mate with a laptop in the passenger seat, filled the tank up with gas, and went for a long drive to tune the car on the road. He said he got the car off the clock (I think the clock reads to 240km/h).
Anyway guys, when i get the money, i will go down the ecu and cam upgrade. The guys at crow cams have taken weeks to reply to emails, and they have a bunch of salesman that are trying to sell me series one stuff. Idiots! They have lost my dollar, thats all i can say. Lol |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 04 Dec 2008 : 8:10:21 PM
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| Thanks nodg for those links mate. I LOVED THE STAGE 5 OPTION!!! Lol |
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leebo
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Posted - 04 Dec 2008 : 10:34:24 PM
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those hyperlinks you added were great motors and look awesome but due to my p plate restrictions i think if a cop looked under my hood to see that i could get a heavy fine even though it's not turbo/supercharged or v8. i think i just best stick to finding small mods.
i and a lot of other unfortunate 18year olds have to suffer nowadays. |
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nodg
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Posted - 05 Dec 2008 : 3:04:29 PM
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Originally posted by Bostik
Just remember that no memcal that you buy on the internet or the ones that come with the kit will outperform a custon tune with your standard ecu/memcal. You will get the max from the motor with live tuning the down side is cost thats all.
For the extra 1-2 kilowatts on a stock motor its unpractical to spend the extra 500 or more on a tune for the money you could buy a full exhaust system and cai/filter which will outperform the extra bit of push a dyno tune will give. |
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