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MILD50
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 Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 11:01:01 AM
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Looks like the female thread on my sump plug is buggered- or atleast I have a very slow leak originating from the plug.
I replaced the plug and washer with a brand new unit but still the same result. I'm assuming its the female thread as the plug will not tighten- ie: it will get tight and feels like it's done but you can actually take it past that point. Essentially it won't tighten!
What are my options? I'm assuming it can't be rethreaded without risking filings etc getting in the sump. Would it be worth trying a thread locker or something to basically glue it in place or am I up for a new sump (High Energy here we come). Any ideas?
It is a slow leak so it's not more than an annoyance really but I'd like to get it sorted.
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trizo
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 12:14:26 PM
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| @ mild I do not c any reason y you couldnt re do the hole, of course you will need to make the hole a little bigger re-thread and make sure you have a nice fitting bolt , I fairly sure its a bsw thread, cnat remember of the top of my head , either way the tread needs to be a tight 1, other wise replace the sump wich can be a pain in the arse, but then again I guess the sump would need to come of any way to resize the hole , me myself would attempt the hole resize first! Let me know what you do ! |
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MILD50
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 12:19:08 PM
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Is the sump has to come off I'll be replacing it with a larger capacity High Energy sump but it's dollars I don't have right now. I can't see the point in going to all the effort of dropping it just to 'try' and fix it and put it back on.
I guess I'll just be monitoring my oil levels until I get the $$$. |
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trizo
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 12:23:20 PM
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maybe some thicker oil for now? lmao @ try ,I'm a real cheap arse so that would be my first point of call lol what are the high energy sumps worth whats the difference between a normal 1 and 1 of these, are they deeper or somthing? excuse my iggnorance but I never heard of them?
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Edited by - trizo on 29 Jan 2008 12:26:22 PM |
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MILD50
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 2:11:23 PM
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They come in a lot of different configurations for racing applications. I'm not sure whether to go the Super Pan or Eliminator. Take a look at www.highenergy.com.au.
Really though if I can sort it out some other way it would be preferable. |
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MILD50
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 3:01:23 PM
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| I'm reading on other forums where guys have used thread tape to sort the problem out... is that safe? I'd be scared some tape would end up floating through the engine or block the oil pickup. |
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VNSVLE
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 8:35:29 PM
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| thread tape should be fine or alternatively put some locktite 515 between washer and sump and washer and sump plug. With the later there would be no fear of getting it into the sump and it should not be a biatch to undo next service. Just make sure you leave it long enough to set. |
What's the difference between understeer and oversteer?
Understeer is when the driver is scared.
Oversteer is when the passenger is scared. |
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nodg
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Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 01:18:56 AM
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| a sump plug shouldnt ever be done up tight, thats how your problem started in the first place, if its firm and still leaking after a new plug and washer your only option would be to re tap the hole or get another sump |
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MILD50
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Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 08:00:39 AM
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Cheers VNSVLE- I'll give that a go.
Nodg- would the sump have to come off to be retapped? A few people I've spoken to believe there is a kit that can do it and then suggest just pouring the old oil back in so that it drains again and takes any remaining debris with it.
And it should be noted that when I say tight I don't mean I was swinging off a breaker bar or anything even close to that tight ;) |
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nodg
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Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 09:48:43 AM
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| i wouldnt go to the trouble of taking the sump off just to tap it out and i was going to warn you about the metal shavings if you do end up leaving the sump on to save your motor from a rebuild! i think this is a good excuse for a larger capacity sump though what do you think? |
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MILD50
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Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 12:07:15 PM
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If I have to drop the sump I'll definately upgrade it... if I can tap it on there I'll do that at the next oil change.
Until then I'm going to try and slow it with the 515 and see how I go...I'm still not convinced about thread tape. |
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nodg
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Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 12:09:35 PM
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| some gasket goo will definately fix it but make sure none gets in the sump as it will block the oil pickup and isnt exactly fixing the the right way..... what type of washer did you replace it with? |
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MILD50
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Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 6:16:09 PM
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| Looks like a nylon washer... stopped the leak for now but I'll be saving up for the high energy sump over the next 5000 kilometers. |
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VNSVLE
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Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 8:19:20 PM
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Just remember to you will have to find a new sump plug the right size for the newly tapped hole which may prove to be difficult. I would be finding a sump plug that is slightly bigger than the original and find a tap that suits. As has been said before be careful with the filings. Maybe try to magnetize the tap and go little bit by little bit cleaning as you go. Or another alternative would be getting a strong magnet( such as a speaker magnet or even better those little neodymium magnets you can buy off ebay ) stick it to the sump right next to the hole to catch whatever filings go inside the sump and then try and remove them all carefully. If you cant find a slightly bigger sump plug to replace the original get yourself a helicoil kit so you can reuse the original.
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What's the difference between understeer and oversteer?
Understeer is when the driver is scared.
Oversteer is when the passenger is scared. |
Edited by - VNSVLE on 30 Jan 2008 8:21:03 PM |
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trizo
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Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 11:08:30 PM
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| geez nodg 1 day I hope I'm as good as you lmfao!!!! |
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nodg
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 1:28:57 PM
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| wtf trizo i dont get it? mild i mean is it a metal washer? |
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MILD50
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 2:45:25 PM
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Not a metal washer... looks like a nylon plastic-y job.
I don't think I'll bother tapping it and risking a blocked pick up. I guess I'll be saving for the High Energy sump.
Thanks for all the advice guys. |
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nodg
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 4:45:34 PM
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| maybe the washer got squashed since you did it up tight. try a metal washer and see how it goes |
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Richo7502000
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Posted - 18 Mar 2008 : 04:17:39 AM
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I had the same problem the other day after an oil change, threads are fine, however I noticed a 1OS on the sump plug, presumably for a 1 size oversize meaning it may have been retapped at some stage??
I fixed it by using some Loctite Blue form a gasket over the sump plug.....easy to scrape next oil change...clean driveway......and seals it perfect.....Geez I'm dodgy in my old age!!!
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trizo
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Posted - 18 Mar 2008 : 4:04:56 PM
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| I thought the old lok tight might work but then again I wasnt sure about what the oil would do to it... oil can do some funky things! |
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