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Krypt
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 Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 7:18:03 PM
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Hey,
i have a 1989 series 1 VN Executive that had the level one cluster,
i purchased a level two cluster and i read a few places i needed a 'sparky' but then i read here and some other places its directly compatable, only needed mods are for the level three cluster from the calais and up models.
well after getting the cluster in i found out that it just hovers at about 1,500rpm no matter how much tapping i do it will always return to that aprox rpm, now this is the wierd part.... i accellerate, it movesup to a maximum of 2,500 rpm.... i know this cluster is in good working order, is there a fuse just for the tacho itself anywhere that may need replacing? or could it be anything to do with my harmonic balancer needing replacing?
Everything else works 100%, just the tacho is playing up...
it's usually the fuel guage that i'm frustrated with, now it works fine with the new cluster, the tachos my enemy now....
Ontop of the cluster it has the sticker stating it came from a hv6 (3.8l)
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jas89
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FXST01
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 8:02:12 PM
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| On the back of the level 1 dash, see the holes for the three connectors (2 blue 1 orange?) I think its connector 1, see if it mentions tacho and then compare it to your level 2 dash and see if its in the same spot on connector 1. Make sense? If not drop a comment here and i'll see if i can help further. |
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jas89
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 8:11:51 PM
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| when i changed mine i compared the lettering on the back of the clusters and it all said the same |
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nodg
National Driver
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 8:31:30 PM
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| any level 2 cluster from a vn or vp will fit straight into a vn or vp and work with no worries at all. make sure that the little switch on the cluster is set to the v6 option. it could also be a sticky needle give the dash a good whack and se if it returns to 0. |
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jas89
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 10:04:24 PM
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errr where is this switch located as i never saw one
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Krypt
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 10:13:15 PM
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Well i took it for another test run, and its wierd, whilst rolling at about 55km/h i engaged the clutch and reved it it then reached up to 5,000 rpm but the engine was reving alot higher than that i can tell because it was nearly valve bouncing.
so my only guess is that this switch may be set as v8?
but yeah i will have to take the cluster out tomorrow and have a quick squiz and post back with details if i have any success... |
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Krypt
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 10:20:49 PM
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The only difference i have found with the clusters was that the 'pwr' (on lvl 2) cluster has an extra wire (a negative) but i know i do not need this as this is only for an automatic gearbox.
So i am only left with the following;-
Dodgey Connectors/Wires
this v6/v8 switch i need to find when i pull the cluster out
fuse/relay????
im not sure of anything else but yeah, i'm not the most electronicaly minded person but i know enough to install things myself, if i can't figure it out by looking at it, i will leave it to the proffessionals. :P
but yeah i don't want to have to spend money on **** that may take me 5 mins to do myself....
Labour costs alot these days lol.... |
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VNSVLE
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 10:40:10 PM
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| If there is a switch on it which i am not sure there will be will be a 65 or 80 litre tank option switch. This will only effect your fuel guage. If you have a v8 cluster in a six it will not work period. You have to get a mod done to it(basically a little resister is put on to the board so that it can read the pulse signal of the V6) |
What's the difference between understeer and oversteer?
Understeer is when the driver is scared.
Oversteer is when the passenger is scared. |
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trizo
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 11:45:08 PM
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ok let me clear this sh1t up... I just did a s1 engine conversion to a s2 , and while I did that I changed the cluster to a lv2 as well, ( I did it in tyhe dark and it took ten mins, straight swap no messing around! Oh yeah I only did the engine tonight !!
BUT ITS A STAIGHT SWAP DONT WORRIE ABOUT COMPARING STUFF , IT WILL SLOT STRAIGHT IN!
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3 can keep a secret if 2 are dead |
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Krypt
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 09:58:38 AM
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| so where and aprox how much will this resistor cost to get installed by pros? im not great with electrics.. lol or should i get an external monster tach instead.... just don't want to spend the 250 bucks.... |
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Krypt
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 11:03:07 AM
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okay i will list the details for connector 1 (far left once cluster removed (Orange in my case) and pin by pin :)(for new cluster (lvl 2) and old (lvl 1).
OLD
Connector 1
Pin 1: REAR DEM
Pin 2: CRS
Pin 3: FOG
Pin 4: GND
Pin 5: TACHO IGN
Pin 6: TACHO SIG
Pin 7: PWR SHIFT
Pin 8: CHECK ENG
Pin 9: BR FAIL
Pin 10: LH IND
Pin 11: REV <---- The only difference between clusters!
Pin 12: GND
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Connector 1
Pin 1: REAR DEM
Pin 2: CRS
Pin 3: FOG
Pin 4: GND
Pin 5: TACHO IGN
Pin 6: TACHO SIG
Pin 7: PWR SHIFT (-)
Pin 8: CHECK ENG
Pin 9: BR FAIL
Pin 10: LH IND
Pin 11: PWR SHIFT (+) <---- The only difference between clusters!
Pin 12: GND
anyone got a solution for me?
Thanks in advance. |
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Krypt
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 11:25:58 AM
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| im just going to pull the new cluster apart and migrate the internals into the original cluster as it should all work as the holes are there for them to be inserted into it. :) |
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vnkid
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 11:40:07 AM
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| lvl 1-2 str8 swap. i got a hv6 lvl 2 cluster that i just recently swapped to, its tacho, had the same described sticking a lil about 1500, even after some re soldering, it seemed to still do it. after 4 weeks or so, it has started to drop to around 1000, or just under, under braking and idle, so im not sure whats the go, whether its internal, but i dont think its switch related. just get a hv6-hv6 lvl 1 - lvl 2 cluster and there shouldnt be any probs with compatability. |
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Krypt
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 11:42:56 AM
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Unfortunately, its stilll got the same problem although it seems to be sending the correct idle rpm to the tacho at times. lol not all the time, so these seems like a flow issue so the resistor may be the way to go, so if anyone could give me an aproximate and where about to go to get the job done cheep but not dodgy. thanks :)
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VNSVLE
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 8:26:38 PM
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| I got a quote of $50 from a local instrument electrician when i was looking at putting a V8 cluster into my V6 |
What's the difference between understeer and oversteer?
Understeer is when the driver is scared.
Oversteer is when the passenger is scared. |
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Nevyn
Learner
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Posted - 05 Sep 2007 : 4:23:10 PM
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| Another thing to consider in this is the Tacho itself. My Speedo in the L3 cluster just started to play up all of a sudden and I had no idea...after checking a few things, and getting a bit of advice from some of these fellas over in squaredarches I got another speedo, changed them over and haven't had a problem since. So my advice is, see if you can pick up another Tacho for it and swap them, its an easy job. |
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